About Us
We at Massage or Knot do not believe in creating pain to alleviate pain.
Bonnie Rich has been a massage therapist since 1999.
Massage or Knot offers a safe space for all women (trans women inclusive) to practice radical self care via massage therapy and Reiki.
We gladly accept male clients by referral only.
We gladly accept male clients by referral only.
We specialize in:
*headache relief.
*pregnancy massage-Bonnie has been certified in prenatal massage since 2003 and offers a custom made massage table. It has cut outs for the breasts and belly so women can lay on their bellies and be completely supported. There are only 2 of these tables in all of Central Florida and you can find one at Massage or Knot.
*Reiki-Bonnie is a Reiki Master and has been a practitioner of this gentle energy work since 1999.
*Reiki-Bonnie is a Reiki Master and has been a practitioner of this gentle energy work since 1999.
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Massage or Knot
3655 Maguire Blvd
Suite 101
Orlando , FL 32803 map it
(407) 733-1783
License: #MM# 35858
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06:00 PM
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Bonnie R.
License: FL #MA# 28669
99 Verified Reviews
Bodywork Services
Heaven and Earth
Head to Toe
Warm and Toasty
Lavender Love
Massage
Pregnancy Massage
Mind and Body
Thai Foot Reflexology
Massage-Seniors 67 and older
Headache Be Gone
Reiki
Chair Massage
by
Anita
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Jun 18
I would refer any friends to Bonnie. She addressed all my issues with knowledge and skill leaving me with much pain and stress relief!
by
Anonymous
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Jun 11
I did not feel I received a massaged at all. It felt like I paid for coconut/jojoba oiled down. My lower extremities: thighs to feet and arms to hands were not massaged. I really needed a head to toe massage after none since December 2020. I got a rub down, shoulder and neck massage. The lavendar scalp massage was the highlight. However, the foot scrub, again so light, not much rubbing and only base of feet. I felt as tough she didn't want to touch me. Too much walking around, touching music to change sound... Very disappointed. Spent $135 to be rubbed with oil.
by
Anonymous
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Jun 01
Bonnie is amazing! When I get migraines, they feed into tension headaches, which creates a never-ending loop of pain—and obnoxiously, tension+sinus is one of my migraine triggers. Painkillers alone won't shut these headaches down; I have to get rid of the muscle tension and sinus pressure as well before I can get any relief. Bonnie is able to keep my back and neck muscles behaving so that I can (mostly) avoid the hell-loop in the first place, but on the rare occasions when I still end up there, her calm and soothing presence is an absolute balm that perfectly complements her skill at massage.
by
Anonymous
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May 25
Bonnie takes the time to see what problem areas you may have. She also provides a comfortable and relaxed setting.
by
Anonymous
on
May 21
Bonnie is very reliable and professional. Every single one of my visits is a complete experience of relaxation and restoration.
by
Anonymous
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May 16
Bonnie is lovely. She’s so calming and takes time to explain about your treatment and goals.
by
Priscilla
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Apr 28
Bonnie’s bodywork was just about flawless. I was relaxed within minutes of Bonnie beginning the session. Bonnie is extremely knowledgeable, sensitive, a great listener, and very gifted. I am still experiencing the calming effects of Bonnie’s work days after my session with her.
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Anonymous
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Apr 21
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Karen
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Apr 21
Bonnie is the kindest, most skilled and professional I have ever been lucky enough to have come across. Highly recommend!
by
Lauren
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Apr 05
Bonnie was extremely kind & welcoming. I felt all my tension and worry just leave my body as she worked through my problem areas! I cannot recommend her enough :)
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by Anita on Jun 2021
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Service Received: Massage-Seniors 67 and older with Bonnie R.
I would refer any friends to Bonnie. She addressed all my issues with knowledge and skill leaving me with much pain and stress relief!
by Anonymous on Jun 2021
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Service Received: Head to Toe with Bonnie R.
I did not feel I received a massaged at all. It felt like I paid for coconut/jojoba oiled down. My lower extremities: thighs to feet and arms to hands were not massaged. I really needed a head to toe massage after none since December 2020. I got a rub down, shoulder and neck massage. The lavendar scalp massage was the highlight. However, the foot scrub, again so light, not much rubbing and only base of feet. I felt as tough she didn't want to touch me. Too much walking around, touching music to change sound... Very disappointed. Spent $135 to be rubbed with oil.
by Anonymous on Jun 2021
Verified
Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is amazing! When I get migraines, they feed into tension headaches, which creates a never-ending loop of pain—and obnoxiously, tension+sinus is one of my migraine triggers. Painkillers alone won't shut these headaches down; I have to get rid of the muscle tension and sinus pressure as well before I can get any relief. Bonnie is able to keep my back and neck muscles behaving so that I can (mostly) avoid the hell-loop in the first place, but on the rare occasions when I still end up there, her calm and soothing presence is an absolute balm that perfectly complements her skill at massage.
by Anonymous on May 2021
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie takes the time to see what problem areas you may have. She also provides a comfortable and relaxed setting.
by Anonymous on May 2021
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is very reliable and professional. Every single one of my visits is a complete experience of relaxation and restoration.
by Anonymous on May 2021
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Service Received: Reiki with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is lovely. She’s so calming and takes time to explain about your treatment and goals.
by Priscilla on Apr 2021
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie’s bodywork was just about flawless. I was relaxed within minutes of Bonnie beginning the session. Bonnie is extremely knowledgeable, sensitive, a great listener, and very gifted. I am still experiencing the calming effects of Bonnie’s work days after my session with her.
by Anonymous on Apr 2021
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
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by Karen on Apr 2021
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is the kindest, most skilled and professional I have ever been lucky enough to have come across. Highly recommend!
by Lauren on Apr 2021
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Service Received: Bodywork with Bonnie R.
Bonnie was extremely kind & welcoming. I felt all my tension and worry just leave my body as she worked through my problem areas! I cannot recommend her enough :)
by Taunya on Mar 2021
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Service Received: Pregnancy Massage with Bonnie R.
Amazing experience! Can’t wait to go back for another prenatal massageb
by Elizabeth on Mar 2021
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Service Received: Pregnancy Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is attentive and just so wonderful to work with.
by Kathy on Mar 2021
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Service Received: Head to Toe with Bonnie R.
Bonnie was so kind and caring during the whole massage. I was very nervous but she made me feel completely comfortable the entire time.
by Anonymous on Feb 2021
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Service Received: Head to Toe with Bonnie R.
I enjoyed a very thorough massage and will be coming back
by Anonymous on Feb 2021
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is a highly skilled therapist. Her energy is very calm, supportive, and nurturing. I highly recommend her!
by Jacquelyn on Jan 2021
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Service Received: Pregnancy Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is so professional and asks if it feels ok every time she changes the area she is working on. I was introduced to her by my chiropractor and I haven’t looked elsewhere since! A huge bonus is her massage table has pregnancy cutouts and she has helped my sciatica tremendously during my pregnancy.
by Anonymous on Jan 2021
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Definitely recommend- great experience!
by Rashi on Dec 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
I had a great experience with Bonnie. She was professional, and the massage helped me with the back pain I have been suffering through. I will definitely be going to her again.
by Ryan on Nov 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Wonderful experience as always.
by Anonymous on Nov 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Such a lovely experience. Highly recommend!
by Ian on Nov 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Most intuitive, sensitive where needed, forceful where required massage therapist I have visited in ages. Awesome!
by Shayna on Oct 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is an extremely skilled and caring bodyworker. She truly listens to your issues and past experiences in order to fully anticipate your needs when providing personalized therapeutic sessions. I also really appreciate the precautions she is taking to keep her room safe & sanitary. Thank you for giving my body & mind some much needed relief from all of the aches & pains!
by Yenisey on Oct 2020
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Service Received: Pregnancy Massage with Bonnie R.
The prenatal massage was amazing. I realkt recommend this places and the therapist Bonnie. She is the best
by Georgiana on Oct 2020
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Service Received: Massage-Seniors 67 and older with Bonnie R.
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by Jessica on Aug 2020
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Service Received: Pregnancy Massage with Bonnie R.
Loved every minute!!!
by Andrea on Aug 2020
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Service Received: Pregnancy Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie was extremely accommodating and her space and demeanor are very peaceful and calming. My favorite part had to be the 40 min or so that I (a 37 week pregnant mom-to-be) was able to lay face-down thanks to her special table with a belly hammock and dip to accommodate an ample pregnancy chest. Recommend for any pregnant mamas suffering from back/hip pain and other general pregnancy discomforts.
by Anonymous on Aug 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is so sweet, caring, and makes you feel comfortable and welcome. She is very talented and listens to your needs. I felt so relaxed after my massage! I would highly recommend her!
by Yesenia on Aug 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie was amazing! I was hurting and tired and just one session with her I felt so much better! As an LMT myself she’s a “go to!”
by Anonymous on Aug 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Very gentle, yet effective massage. I felt much more relaxed immediately afterwards, and I really felt the impact of the massage even more the next morning when I woke up.
by Kristin on Aug 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is amazing! Always a wonderful experience!
by Joel on Aug 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Providing a service that requires contact in an era of social distancing seems impossible, but Bonnie has met the challenge! The only truly noticeable difference between my first massage since the pandemic started and any of my previous sessions before was the feeling of my mask on my face. And because I've grown accustomed to wearing my mask when I'm out in the world, it did not affect my session at all.
by Anonymous on Jul 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Massage really helped my back and neck pain. Thank you.
by Anonymous on Jul 2020
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Service Received: Pregnancy Massage with Bonnie R.
I loved the ambience and especially the belly cut out for pregnancy! And the massage was just perfect! I liked the building it was located in, too :) thank you!
by Stephanie on Jun 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is incredible! She is very kind, knowledgeable, and most importantly she listens to your needs. She is worth every penny, I can’t recommend her enough!
by Karen on Mar 2020
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Service Received: Reiki with Bonnie R.
I was very comfortable and relaxed. Bonnie gave me a wonderful Reiki session. I will definitely come back. Thanks again, Bonnie!
by Anonymous on Mar 2020
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Service Received: Pregnancy Massage with Bonnie R.
I am truly fortunate to have found Bonnie. She is compassionate, caring and has the hands of an angel.
Highly recommend her, specially for maternity massages.
by Megan on Mar 2020
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Service Received: Headache Be Gone with Bonnie R.
Bonnie was absolutely amazing. From the moment you step into the room, you begin to feel calm and welcomed. She talked to me about what I needed done and what I was comfortable with. The massage itself was amazing! Firm enough to know she was working but not so hard I wanted to cry! Bonnie has everything you could need including cold water afterwards and a place to charge your phone during the massage! I will definitely be back and am telling all my friends about this amazing place!
by Maria on Feb 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is wonderful. She makes you feel comfortable and relaxed. She listens and works on areas that need it the most. You feel fantastic after seeing her. Love to see her each time I am in Orlando.
by Carlos on Feb 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Always a great experience. Very professional.
by Natalie on Feb 2020
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Absolutely wonderful experience with Bonnie! My neck and shoulders have never felt better. She was kind, patient, and thorough and took time my appointment to make recommendations and suggestions. Will definitely be back.
by Shana on Feb 2020
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Service Received: Pregnancy Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is amazing!
by Lara on Nov 2019
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Fantastic Massage! Bonnie is a caring professional who listens to your needs and goes above and beyond to take care of you. Amazing experience and I will be coming back regularly!
by Kathy on Nov 2019
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Service Received: Reiki with Bonnie R.
Felt like a million bucks when Bonnie was done! She’s very professional and took the time beforehand to learn about me and my needs. I wasn’t sure if reiki was what I needed but it definitely was! Thanks, Bonnie! Can’t wait until our next appointment!
by Elizabeth on Nov 2019
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
My massage and Reiki session with Bonnie were amazing. She is an exemplary professional and her warm, calming demeanor immediately puts one at ease, guiding you into a state of relaxation before she even begins her work. I highly recommend Massage or Knot: with Bonnie, you are literally in good hands.
by Carmella on Nov 2019
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Service Received: Prenatal Massage with Bonnie R.
Best massage! Bonnie has helped me through those rough last weeks of pregnancy! She is amazing at what she does!
by Milca on Oct 2019
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie was great. She took time to discuss problem areas before starting. She has a very peaceful demeanor and the place is small and cozy. My favorite part was the peppermint scalp massage. Highly recommend it!
by Anonymous on Sep 2019
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Thank-you Bonnie for the absolutely wonderful neck and sinus relief! You are truly an ange!l ????
by Anonymous on Aug 2019
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Wonderful session.
by Julie on Aug 2019
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
I highly recommend Bonnie. She is an amazing and gifted therapist.
by Angela on Jul 2019
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Excellent massage. Exceeded my expectations and I left feeling relaxed and tension in my shoulders resolved. I would highly recommend Bonnie.
by Anonymous on Jun 2019
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie takes the time to find out what you are needing that day. She is attentive and helpful with suggestions for further relief.
by Anonymous on May 2019
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is amazing at what she does. You can tell that she really loves what she does. I recommend my friends and people I know to go see her.
by Karly on May 2019
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Service Received: 30 minute massage + 30 minute Reiki with Bonnie R.
She was absolutely amazing
by Anonymous on May 2019
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie does an excellent job with a quiet ambiance and a relaxing mannerism.
by Lindsay on May 2019
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Service Received: Bodywork with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is very professional and provides a great experience from start to finish. I feel comfortable, relaxed and totally zoned out from the world. Highly recommend. Very experienced and provides a calming environment.
by Mari on Apr 2019
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is always great! She's got a calm presence, listens to her clients and does a wonderful job!
by Joel on Mar 2019
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Really like the new space!
by Anonymous on Feb 2019
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Service Received: 30 minute massage + 30 minute Reiki with Bonnie R.
Best reiki session I've ever had! She was great and really took care of my needs.
by Rhiannon on Dec 2018
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is amazing at her craft! Her calming energy and magical techniques soothes you into relaxation. She finds problem areas you didn't realize you had and really works to take care of them in order to ease any sort of discomfort or pain. She's the most professional massage therapist I've had the pleasure of working with and I highly recommend her to anyone and everyone. My best advice is that once she knows your background and struggles as to why you came to her for any sort of therapy, just trust her and let her do her thing - you won't be disappointed. The only thing that will disappoint is that your massage time can't last for six hours straight - because trust me, you will wish it did!
by Anonymous on Oct 2018
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie really listens to your needs and tailors each massage accordingly. She is a true healer.
by Tenika on Oct 2018
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
This was my first visit and I definitely will be returning.
by Alyssa on Sep 2018
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Service Received: Chair Massage-in office with Bonnie R.
Bonnie did a wonderful job making me feel comfortable! I felt great going back to work after she gave me a 25 min chair massage! Highly recommend!
by Dorian on Aug 2018
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
My experience is always amazing! Bonnie is bsolutely the best and she always makes me feel so much better!
by Daniela on Aug 2018
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Service Received: Prenatal Massage with Bonnie R.
I'm writing this review as a 7 month pregnant female, and Bonnie was exactly what I needed. Bonnie was recommended to me by my Doula who was once a massage therapist, so I knew Bonnie must be amazing to get her seal of approval.
She has a table meant for pregnant women to lay on their bellies, which at this point in my pregnancy, was a gift from the Gods. Mix it in with Bonnie's strong hands and focus to make the whole process as relaxing and enjoyable as possible, and you couldn't ask for a better prenatal massage.
by Roxanne on Jul 2018
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Whenever I receive a massage from Bonnie, I always walk away feeling like I’m walking on air. My body feels so relaxed. At the beginning, Bonnie always asks about any pain or discomforts I’m feeling & she meticulously works to assist with them.
Her “specials”are also pretty special. This summer, I took advantage of the Teachers Massage Special & it was worth it all around.
I would recommend Bonnie to anyone because she is professional & caring. Thank you Bonnie for all you do. ????
by Joshua on Jun 2018
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie was patient and took the time to ask about my daily routine and issues before getting into the massage. She explained what treatment she thought was best and why. The idea of exposing myself and getting a massage has always left me with a slight feeling of discomfort. I didn't get that with Bonnie. She made me feel very relaxed in the middle of a pretty chaotic day. I will definitely go back, and recommend Bonnie to all of my friends and family!
by Kim on Jun 2018
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Service Received: 30 minute massage + 30 minute Reiki with Bonnie R.
I had a great experience. It was exactly what I needed. The Reiki was my favorite.
by Brittany on May 2018
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
I really enjoyed my massage and Reiki. Bonnie was great at communicating and I loved how relaxing the facilities were. I would absolutely book again in the very near future.
by Caroline on Apr 2018
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Service Received: Spa with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is very skilled in her technique and approach. She is very professional and has a beautiful space as well. I will be back again and refer others.
by Caroline on Apr 2018
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is very skilled in her technique and approach. She is very professional and has a beautiful space as well. I will be back again and refer others.
by Herbert on Mar 2018
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Omg! I remember my mom i feel the magic touch of mother to her I highly recommend Ms Bonnie Rich. I would like to come back anytime soon. God bless you!
by Heather on Mar 2018
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Service Received: Headache Be Gone with Bonnie R.
Fantastic experience, very helpful and understanding.
by Khim on Feb 2018
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Service Received: 30 minute massage + 30 minute Reiki with Bonnie R.
Bonnie as amazing. She listened to my concerns and addressed all of them. I went in with a lot of tension and stiffness and Bonnie fixed me up. She knew exactly where to put pressure to release my tension. Her pressure was not light but perfect for me. I will definitely see her again.
by jordan on Feb 2018
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie was great! Very knowledgeable, kind, and gave a really good massage. I will definitely be coming back.
by Angelique on Feb 2018
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
I felt like I was enveloped in a comfy cacoon when I walked into the room. It was so relaxing. I really enjoyed the texture of the linens and that you had tea available. I could tell by the way you traced each muscle to release the tension that you were highly skilled and knowledgeable. Your soft voice and energy is very soothing and I started to drift off a couple times and felt like I was floating in a cloud when I left. I really desired a full session afterward and will be booking a full body treatment with you soon! Thank you so much! I can’t wait to tell my expecting Moms all about you!
by Colin on Feb 2018
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Absolutely wonderful. Exactly the high level of professional care that I wanted and the skill that I needed. Thank you so much!
by Barb on Dec 2017
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is fantastic! She takes the time to understand her client's situation and addresses it. I loved the use of hot towels and the energy in her studio is amazing! I'm excited to take my daughter-in-law there - her very comfy table is adjustable for pre-natal massage.
by Candi on Dec 2017
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is super knowledgeable. She listens to your concerns and addresses them. I felt so comfortable with her. She really cares about what she does!
by April on Dec 2017
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Service Received: Massage with Bonnie R.
I ADORE massage with Bonnie! As a massage therapist, myself, I strongly value professionalism and skill in the area of bodywork. Bonnie DEFINATELY delivers without any hesitation! She is actually the very first therapist with whom I have been able to achieve complete relaxation and restorative presence. I will recommend her to anyone needing to a space of healing and calm. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXELLENCE, BONNIE!!!
by Anonymous on Nov 2017
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Service Received: Focused Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is amazing!
by Rachel on Nov 2017
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Service Received: Focused Massage with Bonnie R.
Thank you!!
by CARLA on Nov 2017
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Service Received: Focused Massage with Bonnie R.
Wonderful experience, highly recommend. A mix of energetic work, deeper massage work, reflexology, cranial work, all in a spa like setting. Pure magic.
by Diane on Oct 2017
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Service Received: Focused Massage with Bonnie R.
This was my 1st visit to Bonnie. She did a great job of helping me relax & feel better. Will definitely go back to her in the future.
by William on Oct 2017
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Service Received: Focused Massage with Bonnie R.
It was a great experience and I look forward to my next appointment.
by Anonymous on Oct 2017
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Service Received: Prenatal Massage with Bonnie R.
The prenatal table was a great addition!
by Sharon on Aug 2017
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Service Received: Focused Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is an amazing massage therapist... second to none! Her technique is so powerful yet so soothing.
by Chelsea on Aug 2017
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Service Received: Prenatal Massage with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is so sweet and really wants to make you feel better and relaxed! She has very healing hands and I will become a regular of hers for sure!
by Meagan on Jul 2017
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Service Received: Prenatal Massage with Bonnie R.
I loved how welcoming Bonnie was and how much time she spent making me comfortable! I already scheduled another massage two weeks out.
by Anonymous on Jul 2017
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Service Received: Prenatal Massage with Bonnie R.
Best prenantal massage experience. Am 33 weeks along and the table she has with cutouts was perfect. She listened to my areas of concern and focused on those.
by judith on Apr 2017
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Service Received: Bodywork with Bonnie R.
Bonnie is amazing in so many ways. Her skill and knowledge of the body and different modalities make her a valuable asset to anyone whose looking to obtain better health. Whether I am being treated for a specific ailment or just need to relax and reset, she is always able to meet my needs.
by Elizabeth on Mar 2017
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Service Received: Prenatal Massage with Bonnie R.
Really loved the massage. Thank you so much
by Pat on Mar 2017
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Service Received: Customized Massage with Bonnie R.
I was more than pleased with my massage. Bonnie provided a pleasant atmosphere and a great massage. I am definitively returning for more.
